What will it really take for a Mars human mission? – SpaceX's Mars Plan

Have a great week everyone! For those interested in the presented Curiosity Stream episode, you can check it out at Curiosity Stream at https://curiositystream.com/marcushouse

If you already have it, the direct link to the episode is https://curiositystream.com/video/1144.

As an xray tech. It is well known that antioxidants can prevent damage from radiation.
Our bodies are mostly water so most of the radioactive damage comes from the radiation converting water into free radicals like hydrogen monoxide.
Hydrogen monoxide is kind of like a school shooter and antioxidants like vitamin C is kind of like a dude that gives free hugs. Only in this case the hug is magical and always works.

There will be (1) no Rehearsal on Mars (soft) Landing, (2) with such Standing-Tall (Vertical) Style Landing will even more difficult & Risky (of tumbling sideway), (3) no Secure/Firm /strong Landing Pad prepared/built prior to the Mission, the whole mission could potentially fall to dust.!?! So, many other versions suggest Horizontal Landing style of SpaceCraft… that you won't need the Climber/Elevator to get down to ground floor.!! Just a few footsteps, like lunar module's stairway.

Avoiding space rocks how are we going to do that?

ANSWER TOO QUERY…
YOULL NEED A DECENT CREW WELL TRAINED….AMPLE FOOD AND WATER (SEVERAL YEARS WORTH PER PERSON)
A SUTABLE SHELTER TOO SLEEP… HEAT… NEW NUCULAR BATERIES YOU DONT EVEN KNOW HOW TOO INVENT YET… AROCKET YOUR NOT PLANING ON LANDING BUCK RODGERS STYLE ON ITS ASS END THATS NOT GOING TOO CRACK MARTION BED ROCK UNDER ITS MASIVE WEIGHT TOO POINT IT TIPS OVER… FUELCELLS… THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF TONS OF ICE FOR OXYGEN GENERATION AND MASS PRODUCTION OF FUEL… SUTABLE SHELTER AND A LEADER WISER THEN ELON MUSK WHO WONT GET YOU ALL KILLED… YOULL ALSO NEED MAGNETIC SHIELDING IN THE SHIP TOO DEFLECT SOLER RADATION…. NORTH POLE ATRACTS IT SOUTH POLE REPELS IT. OH AND IT MUGHT BE A GOOD IDEA FOR MUSK TOO GROW UP AND ABADON TAKING A TESLA WITH HIM… ITS NOT MENT TOO FUNCTION IN A MARTION ENVIROMENT… HECK THE BATTERIES WOULDENT EVEN HOLD A FEASABLE CHARGE IN SUCH CRYOGENIC TEMPRITURES… Yous GOTA REALIZE it gets so cold on mars that even plutonium petler heat pump thermocouple batterys in existing mars rovers actually got so cold they can freeze rendering the battery useless till it actually gets warmer… And those things use 8 pounds of plutonium too make 75 watt hours an hour for bout 20 years on average… Useing plutonium too heat one side so anelectrical curent can begenerated between the hot and cold sides of the nucular batery.
YOU MIGHT ALSO WANT TOO REASERCH NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT CAN USE THINGS LIKE CERAMIC ENDOTHERMIC CATYLISTS AND LEMON JUICE AND ELECTRICITY TOO TURN SOME OF THAT CO2 INTO USEABLE HYDROCARBONS… AND YOULL NEED A HUGE GREEN HOUSE WITH A DECENT ATMOSPHERIC ENVIROMENT SUTABLE FOR SUSTAINING AND SUPORTING LIFE… AND YOU MIGHT WANT A CRAFT YOU CAN PUT INTO A ROTATIONAL SPIN TOO MAKE ARTIFICAL GRAVITY ONBOARD THE SHIP GOING THERE… THIS IS JUST THE SHORT LIST OF WHAT YOUR GOING TOO NEED. AND YOUR GOING TOO WANT A DIRECT FORM OF EFFECENT POWER GENERATION… SOLER PANNELS AND PETLER HEAT PUMPS THERMOCOUPLE NUCULAR BATERIES ARE JUST NOT GOING TOO CUT IT.
Your going too need a stronger ship you can shoot at without damaging its hull with a cannon ball going at mock 50. Theres thousands of them between the 223,538,400 Mile journey from earth too mars. And you might want a shield or net too slow them down so you dont have too worry bout unexpected hull breeches along the way as atmosphear of 27 psi just dont last long in the vacuum of space if you hit a small object like space debree or a mock 50 rock that puncturs the hull or worse a fuel tank and thruster engine… Even the Iss is kept in a safty szone free of intersteller debree called a "pizza box" you dont have that pizza box between here and mars but you do have meteors and micro meteors moving at mock speeds faster then cannon balls and bullets. SIMPLY PUT YOU MIGHT WANT CONSIDER A RUDEMENTRY DEFLECTER SHIELD INTHE VERY LEAST. Your also going too want too carry extra atmosphear in case the air gets thin because of something stupid… Remember apollo 13… And thats a best case disaster scenerio… Its worse case if you have no atmosphear because of a micro hull breach and no more atmosphear too represerize the enviroment of your space craft… As you might last 6-10 hours in a space suit… But your not going too be able too make a u turn for several months too turn around… And if you cant represerize that craft your not going too last long….and your euligys would be longer then your chances of survival under such conditions…. Thats provided musk dont go fliping nuts first and start ejecting people out the airlock for muteny against his assanon arogence.
HOW STABLE YOU THINK HE REALLY IS IF HE CLAIMS TOO BE AN EXTRA TERESTERIAL… WAIT TILL HE SEES THAT MARS ROVER MARTION SETI THAT TELLS HIM OF THE ORIGIONS OF HUMAN LIFE ON EARTH… THAT IDIOTS GOING TOO GET THE SHOCK OF HIS LIFE TIME… Oh youll want a padded brig and strait jacket in the event he looses it…

Has nasa put musk through the 30 days sencory deprivation yet… If not… I sugest yous MAKE HIM GO THROUGH THAT TEST BEFORE EVER GETTING ONBOARD A SPACESHIP TOO MARS WHERE YOUR GOING TOO SPEND TWO YEARS OR MORE LOCKED UP WITH HIM… AND CHANCES ARE HES GOING TOO START SCREEMING AND GO CRAZY DURING THAT TEST… MY POINT IS NOT EVEN NASAs FINEST COULD ENDURE THAT TEST FOR PROLONGED PERIODS OF TIME. AND HIS BEHAVERIAL ASSMENT UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS IS WISER THEN IGNORING TOO UTTERLY DISMISS IT.
IN TRUTH THERES NOT A PERSON THAT SHOULD BOARD THAT SHIP WITHOUT BEING PUT THROUGH THAT SENCORY DEPRIVATION TEST… IT CAN MAKE AND OR BREAK ASTRONAUGHTS AND IN YOUR CASE COSMONAUGHTS.

Elen musk can survive a 12 "G" death spin as we all observed in his flight when he won the x prize… Most any one else would be dead under those same physical conditions.
And abadon the idea of AI…. UNLESS YOU HAVE A DEATH WISH… AI CAN BE HACKED AND USED AS A WEPONIZED AVITAR AMANOTRONIC.

EVEN DISNEYS ILLUMINATI USED FLAME VIRUS TOO ILLIGALY HACK AND THREATEN THE NASA ISS RESULTING IN THE 2015 ISS THRUSTER MISFIRE… YOU DONT NEED A CYBERHACKING SABITOUR DOOMING YOUR MISSION TOO THE CARNAGE OF A SCIFI HORROR FILM IN REAL LIFE. SO LEAVE THE AI AND FORGET IT. AS FOR DISNEY AND THE ISS THRUSTER HACK…THEY USED FLAME VIRUS TOO HACK A GOOGLE HTC SATALIGHT THAT BRIDGED THE HACKED NETWORK CONNECTION RESULTING IN THE 2015 ISS THRUSTER MISFIRE RESEMBLING A SCEAN FROM THE DISNEY MOVIE XEON GIRL OF THE 21ST CENTURY TOO A REAL LIFE SITUATION WHERE IT WAS BEING PUSHED INTO A DECAYING ORBIT WHERE IT WAS THREATENED TOO ITS DESTRUCTION TILL NASA SHUT DOWN AND REBOOTED ALL ONBOARD AND MISSION CONTROL COMPUTERS TO PHYSICALY REPOSITION IT BACK INTO ITS SAFTY ZONE OF THAT "PIZZA BOX" FREE FROM INTERSTELLER DEBREE… DISNEYS ILLUMINATI DID THAT CRIMINALY AND MILLICIOUSLY. GOOGLE WAS ALSO ILLIGALY INVOLVED.
SONY IS NOT INOCENT IN THIS EITHER.

MY POINT THERE IS IF THEY WERE CRIMINAL ENOUGH TOO TRY GETTING AWAY WITH IT ONCE AS IF IT WAS AN UNEXPLAINED GLITCH WHERE THERES CRIMINAL FAULT… YOU DONT WANT PUT YOURSELVES IN HARMS WAY SO THEY CAN DO IT A SECOND TIME TOO A CATASTROPHIC OUTCOME THAT CAN GET EVERY ONE KILLED.

AND YES THEY CAN.

Ignorence might be bliss… But this also why i forwarned… It can also be quite fatel. Rember this next time someone dares too say what they dont know wont hurt them…..
Only thi ng i can say too that is " Bullshit."

DISNEYS ILLUMINATI ARE LIKE SUPERVILLENS… YOU UNDERESTIMATE THE THREAT OF THE CYBER HACKING CYBER TERRISTIC DANGER THEY ARE LITTERALY CAPABLE OF.

AND YES THEY CAN… ITS PROVABLE AND I HOLD THE BODY OF EVIDANCE TOO PROVE IT.

LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT A COPY OF IT.
ILL EVEN EXPLAIN THE FORENCICS THAT INDEED PROVES THEY DID THIS… ONE LINE AT A TIME… IN EXTREAM DEPTH. INCLUDEING HOW IT COMPRIMISED HTC CYBER INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS HTC SATILIGHTS BY WITH THERE ABLE TOO DO IT.

I JUST NEED AN ADDRESS TOO SEND IT TOO TOO CONVINCE YOU YES THEY DID.
It will be in text file format on cd rom if your interested in seeing the evidances that prove it. INCLUDING WHAT ALSO WOULD CONVICT ALSO BOTH SONY AS WELL AS GOOGLE WHO ARE ALSO CRIMINALY INVOLVED.
Its free of charge in good faith if your interested in a copy… My words in this only go out too nasa and space x.

If your not interested ill just keep sitting on it till someone believes me.

Great information! Thank you. Perhaps discussing transport of Oxygen and removal of CO2 as well as water needs and recycling would be helpful as well. I am an Orthopaedic Surgeon and interested in Bone Loss issues and mitigation. This is even a problem on Earth! Thanks

The most important thing for surviving such a long trip psychologically isn't the social isolation – it's self-motivation when all the things in your life which have provided you motivation up to that point are no longer accessible. There's no coffee shop, pub, gym, track, trail, rifle range… whatever it is you do to reward yourself for making it through the week, it's not there. Some of us have more inward-focused reward systems. In my early 20's I would have been pleased as punch to be selected for a mission to Mars, and I would have invested the time into authoring a compiler, kernel, filesystem, desktop, and application suite for the Commodore Amiga. Hunting that progress would have kept my motivation and morale up, and I would have done the regular maintenance tasks constantly excited to get back to my coding. 🙂 Today I couldn't do that because I have people who depend on me, here. So sending people who are in relationships, have children, or have infirm family members, is almost certainly going to be a disaster. The crew needs to have complimentary skillsets, but they need to have redundancy and also common motivations. I think it would be great if they gamed together and made music together, so they find group activity rewarding beyond mere survival. Sadly today's Western Society has a resentful attitude towards any effort required for survival. If someone tells you that you need to do X or you can't breathe, you will start to hate them sooner than later, even if they are doing it for your own good. We've been erroneously taught that everything to do with staying alive is a "right", when in fact it's a privilege which we collectively earn. So maybe it would be best if most of the crew were selected from the Third World where they do see life as a privilege and won't turn on each other over some petty argument and refuse to do their job, resulting in everyone's death.

It will take a hell of a lot better planning than the SpaceX insanity.

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Wow very smart and informative 🙏🤙😎🇺🇲

Marcus – EXCELLENT Presentation. The hazards and possibilities of the trip to Mars very well covered !
Most exciting thing for ME us that we're aware of BOTH the hazards AND ways to mitigate them, and that there's THIS MUCH Excited INTEREST in doing so !
L & S 'ed a while back and GLAD I did 👍!

Whilstserving in VietnamI witnessed the moon landing, I am then so interested inthe next moon landing,I wishSpaceX and Elon Musk allthe best possible

The stainless steel mitigates a lot of the radiation due to it's density. It may be thin, thus light, but it is dense!

Wait, but Elon musk doesn’t think radiation is a big deal. Yet another thing Elon over simplifies and glosses over

I am most interested in the plants they grow in space.
How many plants would you have to grow to support each human?
How much pressurised volume would this need?
What would it take to make closed-loop life support?

small rock do you in why dont scientists tell you this and its everywhere -always the science is speculation craft thats never been made yet as in this with water to shield radiation lol maybe they wont allow it either -THEM we always see stuff in orbit and not out into the van allen belts rocket solid fuels are not the answer we have to use gravity and bend or fold time to "leap " to other places in instants and not years or eons as for now humans travelling through space is still science fiction,,,

Thanks!

What interests me most is the mechanics and electronics of the Mars Base and how leaving earth changes the human body, calcium and bone, blood pressure, also the things that could kill the travelers, is very interesting to me.

The best way in my view to get to Mars and back is not conventional powered chemical rockets, we must cut the travel time down, so how do we do that, is the question?
Well back in the day, there was project Orion and the Nerva nuclear rocket, we should revisit these programs and build from there . Is one solution.
The Nerva Nuclear rocket engine was tested in Jack ass flats , Nevada.
The other is Ion Engine technology.